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	<title>Comments on: on holidayspeak</title>
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		<title>By: cygnoir</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7209</link>
		<dc:creator>cygnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the &quot;hey let&#039;s be awesome to each other&quot; sentiment, and I feel like
some PC-speak around the holidays obfuscates this.  While I fully understand
and support respectful dialogue between adults, I do not think that forcing
people to say one phrase over another for fear of offending someone (anyone)
is in the spirit of any season.

I think we should accommodate each other in a reasonable manner, and forgive
each other faults borne of honest feeling as opposed to prejudice. Of
course, the argument can be made that in today&#039;s society, we must apply
stringent rules to communication because our general sense of ethics has
lapsed.

Anyway, I hope you have a wonderful time of year.  :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the &#8220;hey let&#8217;s be awesome to each other&#8221; sentiment, and I feel like<br />
some PC-speak around the holidays obfuscates this.  While I fully understand<br />
and support respectful dialogue between adults, I do not think that forcing<br />
people to say one phrase over another for fear of offending someone (anyone)<br />
is in the spirit of any season.</p>
<p>I think we should accommodate each other in a reasonable manner, and forgive<br />
each other faults borne of honest feeling as opposed to prejudice. Of<br />
course, the argument can be made that in today&#8217;s society, we must apply<br />
stringent rules to communication because our general sense of ethics has<br />
lapsed.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope you have a wonderful time of year.  :o)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7208</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;ve ever had anyone once respond badly if I&#039;ve accidentally said &quot;merry Christmas&quot; instead of whatever other holiday one celebrates at the end of the year...it usually just ends with a joke by both parties and the true point (hey let&#039;s be awesome to each other) is understood.

I am a bit careful with cards though. Some people get the super-religious Christmas cards, some get a winter card with a nice photo, and some people (actually quite a lot) get the retro-themed N Judah cards. Those cards, though ,tend to be mailed late, and don&#039;t always make it without a breakdown of sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve ever had anyone once respond badly if I&#8217;ve accidentally said &#8220;merry Christmas&#8221; instead of whatever other holiday one celebrates at the end of the year&#8230;it usually just ends with a joke by both parties and the true point (hey let&#8217;s be awesome to each other) is understood.</p>
<p>I am a bit careful with cards though. Some people get the super-religious Christmas cards, some get a winter card with a nice photo, and some people (actually quite a lot) get the retro-themed N Judah cards. Those cards, though ,tend to be mailed late, and don&#8217;t always make it without a breakdown of sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: cygnoir</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7206</link>
		<dc:creator>cygnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo your sentiment about losing the snippiness.  There is a great deal to
be said for tolerating not only the differences between us but our
individual abilities to accommodate everyone&#039;s differences all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo your sentiment about losing the snippiness.  There is a great deal to<br />
be said for tolerating not only the differences between us but our<br />
individual abilities to accommodate everyone&#8217;s differences all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: cygnoir</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7205</link>
		<dc:creator>cygnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make excellent points, Aric. I especially appreciated this: &quot;By the same
instance, we are probably worrying too much if we can&#039;t just offer kind
words from our own cultural upbringing without hours of analysis.&quot;

Merry Christmas to you, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make excellent points, Aric. I especially appreciated this: &#8220;By the same<br />
instance, we are probably worrying too much if we can&#8217;t just offer kind<br />
words from our own cultural upbringing without hours of analysis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Merry Christmas to you, too!</p>
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		<title>By: cygnoir</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7204</link>
		<dc:creator>cygnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad it&#039;s not just me!  So far as library policy, the city has a strong
commitment to diversity and tolerance, so although there is nothing in
writing forbidding any of us from saying certain words, there is a general
sense of remaining linguistically secular whenever possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s not just me!  So far as library policy, the city has a strong<br />
commitment to diversity and tolerance, so although there is nothing in<br />
writing forbidding any of us from saying certain words, there is a general<br />
sense of remaining linguistically secular whenever possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Tyler</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wish i could just say happy Christmas, but then some friend or another says &#039;don&#039;t you mean happy holidays some people don&#039;t celebrate Christmas.&#039; so it&#039;s turned into holidays for me

but for me Christmas is what it&#039;s all about, and instead of being snippy i&#039;d love people to just say back to me happy hanukkah or whatever else feels special to them.

but then I&#039;m also good with happy baby jesus day, becuase o grew up with Christmas day being about joy and hope and carols and nativity scenes. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wish i could just say happy Christmas, but then some friend or another says &#8216;don&#8217;t you mean happy holidays some people don&#8217;t celebrate Christmas.&#8217; so it&#8217;s turned into holidays for me</p>
<p>but for me Christmas is what it&#8217;s all about, and instead of being snippy i&#8217;d love people to just say back to me happy hanukkah or whatever else feels special to them.</p>
<p>but then I&#8217;m also good with happy baby jesus day, becuase o grew up with Christmas day being about joy and hope and carols and nativity scenes. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a pastor so I&#039;m surrounded by people saying &#039;Merry Christmas&#039; all the time and obviously I respond in kind. I don&#039;t see any harm in sharing well-wishes whatever their form. My hindu friends tell me &quot;Happy Diwali&quot; and I say it right back. Even if I am not celebrating a particular holiday I can wish another person a pleasant celebration.

I think the Focus on the Family people are absurd getting all hyper about people saying &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; instead of &quot;Merry Christmas&quot;. It is a meaningless argument. &quot;Holiday&quot; isn&#039;t a secular word anyway - it means &#039;holy day&#039;. Doesn&#039;t designate which holy day, or holy to whom, but it certainly isn&#039;t a secular word. And even if it was? So what?

By the same instance, we are probably worrying too much if we can&#039;t just offer kind words from our own cultural upbringing without hours of analysis. Merry Christmas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a pastor so I&#8217;m surrounded by people saying &#8216;Merry Christmas&#8217; all the time and obviously I respond in kind. I don&#8217;t see any harm in sharing well-wishes whatever their form. My hindu friends tell me &#8220;Happy Diwali&#8221; and I say it right back. Even if I am not celebrating a particular holiday I can wish another person a pleasant celebration.</p>
<p>I think the Focus on the Family people are absurd getting all hyper about people saying &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; instead of &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221;. It is a meaningless argument. &#8220;Holiday&#8221; isn&#8217;t a secular word anyway &#8211; it means &#8216;holy day&#8217;. Doesn&#8217;t designate which holy day, or holy to whom, but it certainly isn&#8217;t a secular word. And even if it was? So what?</p>
<p>By the same instance, we are probably worrying too much if we can&#8217;t just offer kind words from our own cultural upbringing without hours of analysis. Merry Christmas. </p>
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		<title>By: Ned Morrell</title>
		<link>http://cygnoir.net/2009/12/10/on-holidayspeak/comment-page-1/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Morrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do much the same, and most years I&#039;ll wind up wishing at least one person a merry Christmas. Especially if it&#039;s a knee-jerk response, I wouldn&#039;t worry over political correctness or religious respect. Professional courtesy and your personal care with words are both powerful forces, and I&#039;d be surprised if the former didn&#039;t trump the latter now and then!

Does your library have a policy on how to respond? I can&#039;t recall that I&#039;ve seen one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do much the same, and most years I&#8217;ll wind up wishing at least one person a merry Christmas. Especially if it&#8217;s a knee-jerk response, I wouldn&#8217;t worry over political correctness or religious respect. Professional courtesy and your personal care with words are both powerful forces, and I&#8217;d be surprised if the former didn&#8217;t trump the latter now and then!</p>
<p>Does your library have a policy on how to respond? I can&#8217;t recall that I&#8217;ve seen one&#8230;</p>
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